Sunday, November 28, 2010

An Unnecessary Evil?

Recently, one reader eloquently offered a third explanation (I think we are way beyond the number 3, but I get the point) for the motives behind The Rotten Apple Series by drawing parallels between ART and Magick. Iamaphoney has offered several videos that seem to suggest that Paul McCartney was involved in the occult. But I think it is fair to say that Iamaphoney's videos don't appear to be from a perspective of one who is outraged that Paul McCartney or his "just a good replica" would be a practitioner of "Magic with a K." In fact, Iamaphoney seems to embrace Thelema and Aleister Crowley himself to a certain degree. I have been repeatedly given warnings with peace and love about the time and energy I have spent promoting and analyzing Iamaphoney and his Rotten Apple videos. Is it possible that Iamaphoney is not really going after Paul McCartney, but is instead using Paul McCartney to go after us? Is Iamaphoney using me and you to spread a belief in Thelema? I find that to be a humorous thought because we are not that big of a group, and I have personally not seen a shred of evidence that suggests that any two people who visit this site can agree on anything (and that includes subscribing to the same anti-religion). Of course, I was the guy who was criticized recently for suggesting that we all go out for pizza. That was actually a face saving measure that I employed after Iamafunny let that cat out of the bag. [Is that the "face saving" thing that you were talking about Rian? I'm still a fan of yours]

But this is not the first time that someone has suggested that watching Rotten Apple videos can be bad for you. There have been stories about sigil magic, mind control, and some reasonable concerns, unfortunately often leading to illogical leaps and unfounded conclusions by others. I admit, that in order for Iamaphoney to be a guilty pleasure for me, there must be some guilt. But, I don't think that all of the Rotten Apple videos together are nearly as bad for my soul as the movie "Satan's Bed" starring Yoko Ono, which I watched recently for "research purposes." And I don't think that Iamaphoney has done nearly as much harm to Paul McCartney's reputation as people like Heather Mills and even Yoko Ono.

If Rotten Apple videos are causing you to have anxiety-producing dreams or unwanted thoughts, please don't watch them. The reactions to the Trilogy of long form Iamaphoney videos lead me to believe that people are not sitting in front of Rotten Apple videos all day long. I started this blog because I was intrigued by the sudden transformation of amateur videos into something so polished that some even believed McCartney himself was involved. Thelema Schmelema, I got pulled in by the prospect of finding out more about the four ARTists that I have adored collectively and individually since I first heard "I Want To Hold Your Hand."

But the argument that was presented suggesting that "ART = Magick" is certainly worth exploring. I agree that "The Rotten Apple" and "The Right Album" and other curious capitalizations within words beginning with T, R, or A suggest that the Iamaphoney is intentionally referring to the backwards spelling of the word "ART." ART does seem to be the way that souls communicate. And ART certainly does influence people's thoughts, emotions and actions. This is an example of a video that was created for the purpose of influencing people. Is this Magick?



There is no question in my mind that ART has power and can manipulate. But that doesn't make it evil. But could ART be used for evil? I knew as soon as I started using money that ART was trying to influence me to spend it. I knew as soon as I started making my own ART that I would have to make unwanted compromises if I wanted to share my ART with others. Is that the kind of evil we are talking about? Believe me, playing in a cover band or writing songs to order is a little bit like selling your soul to the devil.

Is it really possible that Paul is into Magick? Most reasonable people would say of course not, but what do reasonable people know? I had the pleasure of meeting a reasonable person recently named Ken Mansfield.



Ken was the guy wearing the white raincoat on the Apple rooftop during the Beatles final live performance as a group. He ran the American branch of Apple Records, worked with the Beatles from 1965 onwards, led a promotional tour for Apple artist Jackie Lomax, became a major record producer for several artists including Outlaws Waylon, Willie and Jessi, assembled Ringo's band for the "Time Takes Time" album (without credit), hit rock bottom, re-emerged as a Christian and wrote three terrific books that he autographed for me.



Ken is often invited by churches to share his testimony of how despite having all of the advantages one would expect living the Rock and Roll Lifestyle, he felt empty inside until he hit rock bottom and committed himself to a life as a Christian.



Ken's presentations about his faith journey are usually split into three parts. In Part 1, he shares his reminiscences of his time in the music business with a heavy emphasis on his work with the Beatles. Part 2 is Question and Answer with the host. Part 3 features questions from the audience. Interestingly, in the session that I attended, the very first question from the church host in Part 2 dealt with "Paul Is Dead." Ken responded with the typical "You can gather evidence to prove Hitler was a nun if you look hard enough." I have looked and I have not found any evidence to suggest that Hitler was a nun. If I find any, I will make YouTube videos about it and you can write a blog about me. Ken followed with the "American Explanation" of the "I Buried Paul" at the end of "Strawberry Fields Forever." Like Allen Klein said in 1969, Ken thought that John meant that his sound "buried" Paul's sound in the mix. This of course conflicts with explanations given by Derek Taylor, as well and Paul McCartney and John Lennon himself. A member of the audience mentioned the "Cranberry Sauce" explanation. Ken said he was aware of that, but that it didn't make any sense. Um hum.

The "Paul Is Dead" subject reappeared in Part 3 when a member of the audience commented that Ken described in his books that even though he was not a fan of the Beatles' music initially, his appreciation for it grew over time. When Ken acknowledged the accuracy of the comment, the audience member asked what Ken's take was on people, many of whom are Christians, who suggest that there is something sinister in the music of the Beatles. Ken paused reflectively and said, "There was a darkness in their music at a certain point because of various things that they were doing at the time, but it wasn't sinister. They were nice people."

But what about Mr. McCartney? Is it sacrilegious to ask the question, "Could he be a devotee of Aleister Crowley?" No one has explained away to my satisfaction the presence of Aleister Crowley in the background screen when Paul plays "Helter Skelter" on tour.



And why does that one segment that initially appeared on Paul's Official Channel for the new "Band On The Run" Remastered CD, and is included in the accompanying DVD seem like an Iamaphoney video?



And why does the "original" video for the song "Band On The Run" itself contain such strange imagery?



And that interview where Paul refers to "Magick with a K" is very strange to me.

And I must admit that I find the cover of Paul's "Liverpool Sound Collage" a little disturbing.



Isn't it also interesting that the George Harrison spoken phrase from the recording session for the song "Think For Yourself," that Paul chose to incorporate repeatedly in the Collage, happened to be "Do What You Want To Do," which sure seems to me to be synonymous with Crowley's famous phrase, "Do What Thou Wilt"???

In spite of the fragments of evidence to the contrary, I am still content to agree with Ken Mansfield comment that the Beatles were nice people, and not sinister at all. I am inclined to believe the same about Iamaphoney.



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Anonymous said...

bible nerds

Anonymous said...

"bible nerds"


There's about 10 billion other ways I've told you that are not "bible" related, so feel free to explain EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM AWAY with a flip comment.

I'll wait.

Anonymous said...

This would require a great effort on your part that obviously you have failed to undertake, so in the meaNTIME, WE HERE AT MAGICAL MYSTERY TOUR WILL STICK TO THE TRIED AND TRUE for that demographic that is larger than yourself.

Sorry you are not with it enough to grasp the basics. This is why we are still here.

Apple said...

Have you ever noticed it's a glass onion?

Anonymous said...

NA

NA

NA

NA NA NA NA

Anonymous said...

There's about 10 billion other ways I've told you that are not "bible" related, so feel free to explain EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM AWAY with a flip comment.

I'll wait.

go ahead and wait. That's what you're best at, bro.

I'm happy that you believe you know something and that the whole world is behind you. You aren't on any Magical Mystery Tour goofball. The Beatles were. And you aren't a Beatle.

you're a defensive bible guy who gets riled over a single comment, which speaks volumes about your disposition. You pretend you are wise, but, as the bible says, those who claim to be wise are foolish in the eyes of the Lord.

Anonymous said...

Wanna see the Ley Lines?

Then look.

cooler than the sun, warmer than the air said...

you're a defensive bible guy who gets riled over a single comment, which speaks volumes about your disposition. You pretend you are wise, but, as the bible says, those who claim to be wise are foolish in the eyes of the Lord.




riled? show me riled.

Anonymous said...

money is power

W. Winters. said...

You aren't on any Magical Mystery Tour goofball. The Beatles were.


they had a special guest, goofball.

Anonymous said...

" those who claim to be wise are foolish in the eyes of the Lord."



EXACTLY

lol

Anonymous said...

you're a defensive bible guy



Am I? That's news to ME!

lol

Anonymous said...

money is power


spend my money for me, with me. Too much money makes me cry.

Anonymous said...

And you aren't a Beatle.



SEZ who? Ask a living Beatle and see what he or he says.

Anonymous said...

Feel free to drop my name.

Anonymous said...

Ananda

A real wise guy said...

You know the expression "what's in a name?" and it's meaning?

Well, take that outlook when in comes to Lucifer vs Jesus Christ, just for a second. And throw Satan in there, just for the heck of it.

Why would Christians take offense to Luciferianism if the only difference between that and Christianity was the name? Is that really the argument you're making? The only reason to worship Lucifer rather than Jesus Christ would be because it affords you a freedom that you don't get with Christianity, a freedom from the word of God.

Because, as shown in an earlier post, the only time "Lucifer" is mentioned in the Bible, he isn't a good guy. He isn't a sacrificial ram. He's proud and arrogant and attempts to rise above God and fails. This is SO MUCH CLOSER to the Biblical character of Satan than Jesus Christ. It's actually exactly like Satan, they even share the same fate, which is why most Christians believe them to be the same being.

What's in these names? It doesn't matter if you don't see the Bible as the word of God. I'm not wise. You don't have to be to understand this.

Anonymous said...

A real wise guy said...
You know the expression "what's in a name?" and it's meaning?

Well, take that outlook when in comes to Lucifer vs Jesus Christ, just for a second. And throw Satan in there, just for the heck of it.

Why would Christians take offense to Luciferianism if the only difference between that and Christianity was the name? Is that really the argument you're making? The only reason to worship Lucifer rather than Jesus Christ would be because it affords you a freedom that you don't get with Christianity, a freedom from the word of God.

Because, as shown in an earlier post, the only time "Lucifer" is mentioned in the Bible, he isn't a good guy. He isn't a sacrificial ram. He's proud and arrogant and attempts to rise above God and fails. This is SO MUCH CLOSER to the Biblical character of Satan than Jesus Christ. It's actually exactly like Satan, they even share the same fate, which is why most Christians believe them to be the same being.

What's in these names? It doesn't matter if you don't see the Bible as the word of God. I'm not wise. You don't have to be to understand this.

January 2, 2011 4:43 PM

That's a nice read and very well reasoned. Sadly you're having it on a blog devoted to the world's most retarded urban legend.

Anonymous said...

the only time?


right ther you are disqualified from conversation

Anonymous said...

sadly you're having it on a blog devoted to the world's most retarded urban legend.


JFC

the urban legend under blue skies was for your benefit

figure it out, somehow.

nothing retarded about it. 'Cept you.

Anonymous said...

take 2

EliasCrowe said...

Because, as shown in an earlier post, the only time "Lucifer" is mentioned in the Bible, he isn't a good guy.

That's just not true.

2 Peter 1:19 - We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts.

If you look at this verse in Latin it says "et lucifer"

When it comes right down to it.. biblically.. Jesus is Lucifer.. just as he said of himself;

"I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

Proof that the King of Tyre and Satan are not Lucifer.. biblically.. is that they both fell.

The last time I checked the Day Star / Lucifer / Venus is still in the sky.

Anonymous said...

spend my money for me, with me. Too much money makes me cry.

I'd rather render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's.

EliasCrowe said...

king of Babylon**

Anonymous said...

Why would Christians take offense to Luciferianism if the only difference between that and Christianity was the name? Is that really the argument you're making? The only reason to worship Lucifer rather than Jesus Christ would be because it affords you a freedom that you don't get with Christianity, a freedom from the word of God.

*Okay, first error. Luciferians (some of them anyway) believe the Old Testament God was the prideful creator of the physical universe (a counterfeit version of the True Divine Realm) and who asks to be worshiped and calls himself jealous and angry. They believe the serpent was actually Jesus or Lucifer who gives them divine knowledge, which the OT God tries to prevent. Yes, some of these folks believe Lucifer is Jesus, the Morning Star, which means "Lucifer."

Now if you think about it, how many historical or biblical figures claimed to be God--or make themselves equal to God? There have been quite a few through the years, but only one person that really fits the description: Jesus.

This is why some other folks believe Jesus is the bad guy (Lucifer) who gets the whole world to worship him instead of God, and in the process fools even the very elect. Because very few people worship Satan or Lucifer. But billions worship Jesus, and images of Jesus (false idols) etc.

So if any historical figure fits the bill of being a religious figure who speaks as a lamb, and who is a man but worshiped as a god, it's definitely Jesus.

I'm not passing judgment here, just stating some facts about various beliefs.

Anonymous said...

I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this message for the churches.

I am both the source of David and the heir to his throne. I am the bright morning star."


I am

both

the source of David !

and the heir to his throne!

I am the bright morning star!










what word do you not fucking understand?

roll the words up,read the book, figure it out. and lets get the F home.


really

Anonymous said...

So if any historical figure fits the bill of being a religious figure who speaks as a lamb, and who is a man but worshiped as a god, it's definitely Jesus.

Jesus has a bit of a mouth at times

EliasCrowe said...

The only people who believe Satan is Lucifer are either Luciferians or ignorant Christians.

Go back and read Isaiah 14 until you get the context.. then come back and "state facts."

Anonymous said...

The last time I checked the Day Star / Lucifer / Venus is still in the sky.


The big question is how long she's gonna hang there.

She cries a lot about going home.

Anonymous said...

Go back and read Isaiah 14 until you get the context.. then come back and "state facts."

That passage refers to a Babylonian King and has no connection to deities or any sort.

Christians co-opted it's original context to force fit it into "Satan" but that's entirely wrong. When the OT refers to a character like Satan, it used the name Satan.

Anonymous said...

Okay. Have your theory. It's been laid out pretty well. Jesus is Lucifer. Or Jesus was Satan. Either way, Lucifer is the 'true God' of the universe according to the prevailing belief of the creators of the iamphoney stuff. Got it. Thank you for finally being a little more open.

Have your theory. Attempt to prove it. I'll listen. I'll watch. But one question - where does this "Come home. Let's go home." stuff come from. Do you believe in the second coming of Christ? Is Lucifer coming? Is it the Anti-Christ? Who's coming and where are we supposed to be going?

You lay that one out and then tie it all back to Sir Paul and I'll be satisfied. But uh.. if we're going somewhere, I gotta pack- so make it snappy, would ya?

Anonymous said...

LET IT BE

Anonymous said...

fast enough for ya?

Anonymous said...

Luciferians don't believe Satan is Lucifer at all.

They believe Jesus is Lucifer. That's why at the higher degrees of Masonry it becomes very Christian in character (albeit Gnostic)

Anonymous said...

But one question - where does this "Come home. Let's go home." stuff come from. Do you believe in the second coming of Christ?


It comes from the truth. I'm not here to fuck with you. I know the answer because I found it.

trust me


Yes.

Come home to me.

Anonymous said...

Either way, Lucifer is the 'true God' of the universe according to the prevailing belief of the creators of the iamphoney stuff. Got it. Thank you for finally being a little more open.

I'm not so sure the Phoney people believe that. THey seem to be fairly straightforward Evangelical and NWO types, who, like a lot of those types, believe they are fighting against antichrist without realizing their beliefs are straight out of the NWO playbook. Call them dupes, if you will.

Anonymous said...

They believe Jesus is Lucifer. That's why at the higher degrees of Masonry it becomes very Christian in character (albeit Gnostic)


good, get their asses in here

Anonymous said...

It comes from the truth. I'm not here to fuck with you. I know the answer because I found it.

trust me


Yes.

Come home to me.

oh boy. Is this SEAN LENNON again?
Are you calling yourself God? If so, we've found ourselves another antirchrist.

A real wise guy said...

Satan was the highest and most glorified angel before his fall. So high, even God was amazed by his beauty. The fact that he could be referred to as "Lucifer" or "bright morning star" (perhaps a bit sarcastically, after the fall) doesn't seem odd to me. Obviously Jesus bears the true light, the real truth. But the serpent who opened our eyes in the garden is not the same as the serpent Moses raised up.

But the bigger point is, what's in the name? (Not addressed).

This isn't as simple as an "Indian" vs "Native American" debate. You're not merely arguing for a different title, you're arguing for a different philosophy, are you not?

Anonymous said...

oh boy. Is this SEAN LENNON again?
Are you calling yourself God? If so, we've found ourselves another antirchrist.

you're deductive skills are lacking, mate

EliasCrowe said...

That passage refers to a Babylonian King and has no connection to deities or any sort.

Christians co-opted it's original context to force fit it into "Satan" but that's entirely wrong. When the OT refers to a character like Satan, it used the name Satan.


Correct.

And this is not to say, "Jesus is Satan" . The argument that goes like this; "You say 'Jesus is Lucifer' so you believe Jesus is Satan?" . is completely ridiculous.

Anonymous said...

Start blowing up the White balloons.

Anonymous said...

And this is not to say, "Jesus is Satan" . The argument that goes like this; "You say 'Jesus is Lucifer' so you believe Jesus is Satan?" . is completely ridiculous.

slap on any label you want to boys, I DO NOT CARE.


LOVE is the only thing that counts, really.

Anonymous said...

This isn't as simple as an "Indian" vs "Native American" debate. You're not merely arguing for a different title, you're arguing for a different philosophy, are you not?


yeah, different philosophy. Of course the Lucifer passage fits the description of this Christian version of Satan, but the Christian story about Satan falling and rebelling is a later creation and nothing to do with Judaism. Satan isn't an equal opponent of God in the OT, as in Job. He's there to do God's work but he does the dirty work for him.

God says himself "I make peace and create evil" because obviously nothing can happen or even be imagined (such as evil) without an author, who is God. Later Jews were uncomfortable with the idea that God was the source of their woes, and so increasingly they blamed them on intermediaries like demons and angels like Satan.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
And this is not to say, "Jesus is Satan" . The argument that goes like this; "You say 'Jesus is Lucifer' so you believe Jesus is Satan?" . is completely ridiculous.

slap on any label you want to boys, I DO NOT CARE.


LOVE is the only thing that counts, really.

Yeah, even if they're black!

Anonymous said...

But the bigger point is, what's in the name? (Not addressed).



It's a huge gift, that's all you need to know..

Come home Macca.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, even if they're black!


everybody come Home. Black, white, yellow, red, green.

come home

Anonymous said...

personally I don't believe in any of these angel characters like Satan and Lucifer or whomever.

folk tales designed to teach metaphorically.

Even Augustine realized that when Satan takes Jesus up to a mountain to see all the kingdoms of the world, that something was wrong. Because there is no such mountain high enough to see all the kingdoms, and obviously Jesus and Satan weren't mountain climbing (and no one was there to witness it). So Augustine realized it was symbolic. I don't know why people can't see the difference between literal and figurative language.

EliasCrowe said...

Ok .. what's in a name?

Lucifer means "Light Bearer"

John 8:12 - Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

Jesus doesn't bear his own light...

John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

This is exactly why Jesus called himself.. and was able to call himself.. "The Morning Star" in Revelation 22.

Lucifer (aka the planet "Venus") doesn't bear it's own light.. but reflects the light of the Sun.

also..

Matthew 23:12 - And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.

This was what the king of Tyra was guilty of.. exalting himself. Jesus is not guilty of this.. but is exalted by God because he humbled himself.

Matthew 28:18 - And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.


do I really need to say more?

Anonymous said...

should have known Elias (AKA Miles Deo) is the bluelinker hahaha.

hypergraphia at its finest, lads.

Anonymous said...

LUCKY FOR YOU

y'll be sad when it ends and it will. Apollo told me so.

Less wise every second said...

The problem comes in, the disconnect happens, when we realize that your affinity for "Lucifer" comes from an anti-traditional Christianity standpoint.

Maybe it's gnostic, believing the creator of this world is evil. Our Father, who art in heaven.

Maybe it's pantheism, believing that James Cameron created the universe and that there's really no such thing as the devil. Which contradicts the Bible.

Whatever it is, it's totally convenient for any human being who isn't into the idea of following the God of the entire King James Bible.

That's what many are called for, and only few chosen.

EliasCrowe said...

**king of Babylon.

;)

Anonymous said...

This is exactly why Jesus called himself.. and was able to call himself.. "The Morning Star" in Revelation 22.

Lucifer (aka the planet "Venus") doesn't bear it's own light.. but reflects the light of the Sun.

also..

Matthew 23:12 - And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.

This was what the king of Tyra was guilty of.. exalting himself. Jesus is not guilty of this.. but is exalted by God because he humbled himself.

Matthew 28:18 - And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.


do I really need to say more?

yep. Because "Light Bearer" is not an accurate translation, it's a later Christian label. Lucifer means Bright Morning Star or Bright Star of the Morning. Not Light Bearer. And in Revelation, the translation to English is Bright Morning Star or Daystar, both of which are not light of themselves but reflect light.

Yes, Morning STAR means STAR and NOT "The Light" itself. Stars reflect light.

Anonymous said...

should have known Elias (AKA Miles Deo) is the bluelinker hahaha.


so wrong Sherlock, so wrong you are. Now you are two for two in wrong deductions.


THE GAME IS A FOOT!

Anonymous said...

fer means to carry.

like a cavity

Anonymous said...

Stars reflect light?

That's what the Son said.

EliasCrowe said...

Lux Ferre = Light Bearer

Lucifer does mean "Light Bearer"

It's why the Morning Star was called "Lucifer"

Door is Day said...

nd in Revelation, the translation to English is Bright Morning Star or Daystar,


hmmm

who around here wakes up ridiculous early every day? I mean, every day?

EliasCrowe said...

Seems like whenever I get in a discussion about this.. I have all the scriptures to back it up.. and everyone that comes against me has only their own words and "traditions" (they call it tradition, I call it ignorance.)

And they prove.. very often.. that they don't even believe the Bible.

EliasCrowe said...
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Anonymous said...

It's why the Morning Star was called "Lucifer

LUX C in the Sky?


hmmm

who could it be?
let's think about that

Anonymous said...

and to these Christian sects that believe only the King James is the "correct" version, I would remind you that it is a much later invention by the church. The earliest Christians and the millions living up until the Middle Ages never read any King James bible.

it's an elitist stance on translations. The first christians didn't even read the gospels. In fact, the early Church Fathers didn't even consider the gospels to be authoritative, and rarely quoted from them.

Anonymous said...

I got your back Elias, so don't complain....

Anonymous said...

It's why the Morning Star was called "Lucifer

LUX C in the Sky?


hmmm

who could it be?
let's think about that

oh brother. Another Charles Manson, making connections between pop songs and the bible.

Anonymous said...

And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun


why skip the good parts?

Anonymous said...

oh brother. Another Charles Manson, making connections between pop songs and the bible.


I refuse to let you fuck this up, loser.


Time stamp any mention here of your statement and back up this thoughtless BS.



GO AHEAD AND DO IT.

ok. obviously s/he cannot and this is the mentality we deal with, possibly yours.

get over it

no one is here for that

EliasCrowe said...

I am MilesDeo?

Anonymous said...

try therapy.

obviously you are quick to anger, and believe yourself to hold special knowledge as a prophet, although the NT doesn't speak of such a thing happening.

Anonymous said...

how's the weather in Kentucky, Elias?

and do you still think you're John Lennon resurrected?

Anonymous said...

Which is why you become subliminal about it.

Anonymous said...

I refuse to let you fuck this up, loser.

hmmm, sounds very Christ-like, doesn't it?

shawnlennonz said...

Anonymous said...
how's the weather in Kentucky, Elias?

and do you still think you're John Lennon resurrected?

January 2, 2011 5:57 PM

Don't mix me up with Elias, you some bitch.

done up in blueprint blue said...

Who's angry?

What, I can't talk to you?


Dude, if capital letters frighten you, that's your prob

NT doesn't speak of such a thing happening.


yeah, right

Anonymous said...

hmmm, sounds very Christ-like, doesn't it?


I think so. Christ has a bit of a mouth on him these days. When he takes charge of things. Kinda sexy.

Anonymous said...

lmfao

Anonymous said...

Who's angry?

What, I can't talk to you?


Dude, if capital letters frighten you, that's your prob

NT doesn't speak of such a thing happening.


yeah, right


"And Lo, there will be some dude posting on Tafultong's blog about Paul McCartney. And he will be the True Light, so follow him. Listen to him and not the words herein."

see you at Comicon!

EliasCrowe said...

The weather in Kentucky is horrible.. just horrible.
and
Do you want me to think I'm John Lennon resurected?
I don't.. but I've been told, "Never say Nevar"

Rubenesque said...

That's not a dude, dude.

Wiggum said...

Look, if it walks like a duck, dude...

I'm not here to be right.

If you want to call Jesus "Tony the Tiger" I really don't care, so long as you aren't arguing against the philosophy of Christianity.

The "Lucifer" in Isaiah isn't Christ-like. That can't be clearer. So perhaps that's one place that word isn't used to describe the Word, since it doesn't make sense that way.

There's something more to this than semantics, and that's okay. It's okay if we honestly disagree, but it's not because one of us doesn't understand what the Bible "really" says. It's probably more about what we believe the Bible "really" is.

Because if we both believed it's the same thing, with the same authority behind it, then you'd probably be content to just refer to Jesus as Jesus since it would be the message and philosophy that you cared about most.

EliasCrowe said...

Go back and study the Bible some more, Wiggum.

Anonymous said...

why so serious?

LIB = BIL said...

STILL A LIGHT? THAT SHINES ON"ME" SHINE UNTIL TOMORROW?

HELLO?

Anonymous said...

The "Lucifer" in Isaiah isn't Christ-like. That can't be clearer.

agreed. But the point I am making (which is not my philosophy) is that some people believe Jesus is indeed Lucifer-like because he said he was God. If Jesus isn't God, and set out to fool the world by great wonders and marvels into believing he was, obviously he is quite Lucifer-like. If Jesus isn't God, then everything in that Isaiah passage sounds exactly like a description of Jesus.

Anonymous said...

why so serious??


stop showing me a photo a a hung woman.

YOU SUCK

Anonymous said...

STILL A LIGHT? THAT SHINES ON"ME" SHINE UNTIL TOMORROW?

HELLO?

those are song lyrics.

he's using "light" as a symbol of hope.

is this first grade poetry class or a Charles Manson seminar?

Anonymous said...

good question

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Who's angry?

What, I can't talk to you?


Dude, if capital letters frighten you, that's your prob

NT doesn't speak of such a thing happening.


yeah, right


"And Lo, there will be some dude posting on Tafultong's blog about Paul McCartney. And he will be the True Light, so follow him. Listen to him and not the words herein."

see you at Comicon!

January 2, 2011 6:04 PM

LOL Comment of the year! (and it's early!)

and I stared at her in complete amazement said...

Elias, why don't you see the Bible as I show you?

Anonymous said...

LOL Comment of the year! (and it's early!)




keep the photo, you may never see it again

Anonymous said...

won't you smile for the camera?

EliasCrowe said...

That's the problem.. no one has shown me any Bible for this.

All they have to stand on is bad interpretation of a single verse.

who ART in heaven said...

You didn't know the Masters captured you in oil beforehand?

lol

now you know

Anonymous said...

All they have to stand on is bad interpretation of a single verse.


then you haven't been listening to ME

I give you plenty of verse to think about.
start with the last one.

Anonymous said...

The GRACE of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all.

Amen.

Anonymous said...

All this talk about Jesus is Satan and the Beatles are Satan and Jphn is bacck from the dead makes it sound like this is the playpen of some demented cult. Certainly this is no form of Christianity anyone outside of the mentally ill would follow.

Anonymous said...

Let

it be

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
LOL Comment of the year! (and it's early!)




keep the photo, you may never see it again

January 2, 2011 6:17 PM

I have never and will never click on any of your "blue links".

Anonymous said...

All this talk about Jesus is Satan and the Beatles are Satan and Jphn is bacck from the dead makes it sound like this is the playpen of some demented cult. Certainly this is no form of Christianity anyone outside of the mentally ill would follow.


don't de a douchbag, it's not. And NO ONE said John is back bla bla bla


what? where and who said tis?


what a fucking little distractor you are.

was that sexy?

lol

Dial B for Beat a dead horse said...

Anonymous said...

The "Lucifer" in Isaiah isn't Christ-like. That can't be clearer.

agreed. But the point I am making (which is not my philosophy) is that some people believe Jesus is indeed Lucifer-like because he said he was God. If Jesus isn't God, and set out to fool the world by great wonders and marvels into believing he was, obviously he is quite Lucifer-like. If Jesus isn't God, then everything in that Isaiah passage sounds exactly like a description of Jesus.



I hear what you're saying. And that's crossed my mind, but it hasn't been a stumbling block of any sort. I believe the OT is God's word, and a human being exactly like Jesus (in my interpretation) was promised to come as our savior. Then, in the NT, when people accused Jesus of being a liar, his responses always put my mind at ease. It's the same "what's in a name" thing; whoever this guy is, I'd follow him. I can't imagine "Emmanuel" (God with us) being any different that Jesus. I can't imagine "God as a man" being better, wiser, or more worthy of worship in any way.

Why would Satan come to the world as a human being and become his own worst enemy, evil's biggest detractor and good's biggest advocate, lead people away from sin and toward heaven, and basically do everything God would do if God were here as a human being? Why would Satan do that? Wouldn't Satan be more likely to push people away from faith in God, and more towards a self-serving lifestyle?

EliasCrowe said...

then you haven't been listening to ME

I give you plenty of verse to think about.
start with the last one.


Why don't you get a name ?

Then you can address the scriptures I gave to prove that Jesus is "Lucifer" -> (January 2, 2011 5:33 PM)

Anonymous said...

I have never and will never click on any of your "blue links".


so don't! fuck you1

Anonymous said...

Why would Satan come to the world as a human being and become his own worst enemy, evil's biggest detractor and good's biggest advocate, lead people away from sin and toward heaven, and basically do everything God would do if God were here as a human being? Why would Satan do that?



because

Anonymous said...

Wouldn't Satan be more likely to push people away from faith in God, and more towards a self-serving lifestyle?

no

Anonymous said...

I have never and will never click on any of your "blue links".



We may find a trace
Of a state of grace
In the saddest face
Something is there

How the rivers flow
We may never know
But it goes to show
Something is there

This guiding light
Will burn so bright
So much wonder around us
All the love in the air
Let the good that surrounds us
Help us to always care

Then the seeds we sow
Will survive and grow
And we all will know
Something is there

This guiding light
Will burn so bright
So much wonder around us
All the love in the air
Let the good that surrounds us
Help us to always care

In this world where ever present dangers
Circle round our family heart
Like a throng of hostile strangers eager for a war to start
There appears a friend's familiar face
Oh sweet relief, the heart goes to a warmer place

And this we prize
And this we hold so dear
This humble state of grace

And this we prize
For this we hold so dear
This state of grace

We may find a trace
Of this state of grace
In the saddest face
Something is there

How the rivers flow
We may never know
But it goes to show
Something is there
This guiding light
Will burn so bright
So much wonder around us
All the love in the air
Let the goog that surrounds us
Help us to always care

Life aboard this fast revolver still remains a magic mystery
Loud reports of anger fill the pages of our history
Those of us with love can now embrace
With sweet relief a life lived at a gentler pace

And this we prize
And this we hold so dear
This humble state of grace

And this we prize
For this we hold so dear
This humble state of grace

In the night a daffodil
Is battered by the father of all storms
Daybreak sees it stand alone
Amongst a field of lifeless forms
Rays of light illuminate
Where sweet relief presents a shining yellow face

And this we prize
And this we hold so dear
This humble state of grace

We may find a trace
Of a state of grace
In the saddest face
Something is there

How the rivers flow
We may never know
But it goes to show
Something is there

This guiding light
Will burn so bright
So much wonder around us
All the love in the air
Let the good that surrounds us
Help us to always care

The the seeds we sow
Will survive and grow
And we all will know
Something is there

This guiding light
Will burn so bright
So much wonder around us
All the love in the air
Let the good that surrounds us
Help us to always care

And this we prize
For this we hold so dear
This humble state of grace









what a fuckin idiot


was that sexy?

EliasCrowe said...

It's funny how minds work...

some one will accuse me of implying that "Jesus is Satan" by saying Jesus is Lucifer.

but I clearly said, Satan never was and never will be "Lucifer."


Satan is not Lucifer
Jesus is Lucifer
Jesus is NOT Satan
Satan is not Jesus

It's not that difficult to understand.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

don't de a douchbag, it's not. And NO ONE said John is back bla bla bla

what? where and who said tis?

Dude, it was only several comments up:

shawnlennonz said...

and do you still think you're John Lennon resurrected?

Anonymous said...

Lucifer = Light

Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds = Beatle song.

hey! someone was trying to make a connection with a Beatle song and the Bible.

is there a time stamp?

Anonymous said...

So lemme see if I get this straight:

Elias says that Jesus is not Satan (I agree)
Elias says that Satan is not Lucifer (I disagree)

Angry man says Jesus is Satan?

Anonymous said...

Nobody's said that last thing.

It's that Jesus can't be the Lucifer mentioned in Isaiah, unless Jesus isn't God.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Nobody's said that last thing.

It's that Jesus can't be the Lucifer mentioned in Isaiah, unless Jesus isn't God.

January 2, 2011 6:44 PM


That I agree with.

EliasCrowe said...

I don't mind if you disagree.. I have friends who disagree with me about this.

Usually I call Satan "Satan"
and usually I call Jesus "Jesus"

The only reason I argue against people calling Satan "Lucifer" is because.. like I've said, I believe that title doesn't belong to him.

Anonymous said...

It's that Jesus can't be the Lucifer mentioned in Isaiah, unless Jesus isn't God.

well if he isn't God, he really did a great job fooling everyone, what with the lamb-like talk and all. But I agree that even if he isn't God, Jesus has tended to draw people toward, and not away, from Him, so even if he's a fraud it worked in God's favor.

kinda like Judas.

but when I read this "Come Home To Me" nonsense posted by a human being on this blog, I have no choice but to take that as Satan-like, Beast-like.

not high enough caliber to be "The" Beast, more of a misguided Beatle fan version of The Beast, like Manson or Chapman.

Anonymous said...

and do you still think you're John Lennon resurrected?



ok, you just sit there and wait for this conversation with the person who "said " that in a serious way and keep you fucking mouth shut until that happens because you swore it was said like that and really,

I want to see and participate in this conversation that you say was so real because who could possible\ly contain themselves with such information! where is this Lennon reincarnate?



wow

you really are on to something!

please follow up!

fucking moron


was that sexy?

dismissed

Anonymous said...

I agree about Jesus not being Lucifer. I disagree about all the other Paul McCartney/Beatles crap. That's just warmed over Charlie Manson. Anyone who can look at the grisly photos of the Manson murders and have any respect for those people is inviting evil inside IMHO.

BTW: There are 665 members of NIR. The next person who joins will be 666. That's gotta suck.

Anonymous said...

no, Elias is correct: Lucifer is NOT a deity or an angel. It refers to a human being, a king, who thinks he can be like god. Christians felt this passage fit nicely with their idea of Satan, who rebelled against God in a war in heaven (which is an apocryphal story not in the OT).

Now if Elias thinks Jesus is Lucifer, then it's a different ballgame, because that's a Gnostic or Masonic interpretation.

Anonymous said...

but when I read this "Come Home To Me" nonsense posted by a human being on this blog, I have no choice but to take that as Satan-like, Beast-like.








what a fucking idiot


home = love


what the fuck else would it mean?

satan?

fucking morons


was that sexy?

Anonymous said...

I just decided I'm going home without you.


later

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
ok, you just sit there and wait for this conversation with the person who "said " that in a serious way and keep you fucking mouth shut until that happens because you swore it was said like that and really,

I want to see and participate in this conversation that you say was so real because who could possible\ly contain themselves with such information! where is this Lennon reincarnate?

wow

you really are on to something!

please follow up!

fucking moron

was that sexy?

dismissed

January 2, 2011 6:50 PM

I don't appreciate your tone. Save your anger for real issues.

Anonymous said...

very shagadelic baby

Anonymous said...

I don't appreciate your tone. Save your anger for real issues.


this is the issue, moron


was that sexy?

Anonymous said...

what the fuck else would it mean?

satan?

fucking morons

point being, rude angry Home Depot working guy, is that believers look to the Bible and only the Bible as authority, not to a goofball on Tafultong's blog.

Anonymous said...

Hey, is 2012 the end date or do we have to wait for the entire year to go by?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
what the fuck else would it mean?

satan?

fucking morons

point being, rude angry Home Depot working guy, is that believers look to the Bible and only the Bible as authority, not to a goofball on Tafultong's blog.

January 2, 2011 6:58 PM


A+ AND SEXY!

Anonymous said...

and not even Jesus could have saved Phoney's Euroembarrasing version of Band on the Run.

aaaaaaaand checkmate.

Anonymous said...

By the way, here's someone else who would fit Angry Guy's definition of "moron"

/watch?v=oHgmYXYtZlk

Lam of said...

If you are going to take the bible as bible, the do yourself a favor and stop omiting the parts that you do, fer crying out loud.

See ya at the wedding.

. said...

So, other than the atheists and agnostics, everyone else here are Christians?

No sorcerers?

No devil worshipers?

No miscellaneous?


It really seems like there's more than wordplay and jokes going on...


Someone said "I fought for you" the other day. Come on. What are we doing? I'm not going to allow a spiritual experience to happen without knowing who's behind it. And if it's Lucifer, with this idea in his head that he's Jesus, then I'm not interested. Not interested in the resurrected John Lennon if he's still singing "imagine there's no heaven, and no religion too." I don't know if we're waiting for Paul McCartney or if he's waiting for some of us but I for one am not budging, because this whole thing reeks of a ploy. You hear me? A ploy.

This might be my last post. Lol.

Anonymous said...

I love working at the home depot .

Do you have ID for your credit card?

I'm just a casheir, butI''m a little Nazi about the IID part.

Anonymous said...

It's true. Someone did fight for you and unbelievably still is .

This is not a ploy, it's real, and it's all for you.

EliasCrowe said...

Now if Elias thinks Jesus is Lucifer, then it's a different ballgame, because that's a Gnostic or Masonic interpretation.

I don't know about Masons and Gnostics..

when I say "Jesus is Lucifer" .. it isn't a great claim, or really even an interpretation.. simply recognizing that

Bright and Morning Star,
the Day Star,
and Lucifer

are all synonymous.

So either Satan is all three, or he is none.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
It's true. Someone did fight for you and unbelievably still is .

This is not a ploy, it's real, and it's all for you.

January 2, 2011 7:59 PM

And He's also fighting for YOU despite how misguided and mixed up you are. It's okay though. You can ask Him for forgiveness.

No Re-Ligion said...

A simple leap of faith will get you there.

Anonymous said...

Him who? Why is everything automatically a him?

What ever happened to US ?

I was you said...

Is the Holy Spirit a him or her?

Anonymous said...

Him.

Sion Isreal said...

How rich of you to fend for me.

Seriously, you should worry for yourself, dude.

Read your bible, any testament.

Anonymous said...

The HS is not a him.

Anonymous said...

Is the all seeing eye a him or her?

Anonymous said...

Sion Isreal said...
How rich of you to fend for me.

Seriously, you should worry for yourself, dude.

Read your bible, any testament.

January 2, 2011 8:22 PM


I did. It told me not to follow false prophets.

Sion, the awakening said...

Good for you to excercise caution.

It also told you look for certian signs of the coming.

God hates it when you ignorethe signs. Especially when you are so aware of them

Anonymous said...

Sion, the awakening said...
Good for you to excercise caution.

It also told you look for certian signs of the coming.

God hates it when you ignorethe signs. Especially when you are so aware of them

January 2, 2011 8:36 PM

God also warns me of false prophets bringing in heresies and distorting the gospel. That is also a sign on the end times. You're not fooling me.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Him who? Why is everything automatically a him?

What ever happened to US ?

January 2, 2011 8:16 PM

The holy spirit is you, and I've known that

Maybe if you didn't vanish we could have worked things out

But it's not over, it worked for the better

All we need now is a fresh start

Anonymous said...

Who will be the biggest winner?

Someone who knew the signs of the coming and spat in God's face ( the dude who promised to return, but Incognito) because he wouldn't accept it?

Or the guy in the gutter who only lived for love?

I'll bet it all on the second guy, any fucking day.


And I did.

Was that sexy?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Him who? Why is everything automatically a him?

What ever happened to US ?

January 2, 2011 8:16 PM

The holy spirit is you, and I've known that

Maybe if you didn't vanish we could have worked things out

But it's not over, it worked for the better

All we need now is a fresh start

January 2, 2011 8:42 PM

a fresh start indeed .

Anonymous said...

I didn't vanish entirely!

I am still here and I want to come home!
Bring me back

we can fix this

Anonymous said...

I'm pretty sure if you weren't a phoney, you would know that all you have to do is knock on the door.. Or atleast decypher the metaphor

Anonymous said...

To the people who think I am tring to fool you:

I am as serious as a HE-ART ATTACK

I told you

I am not here to fuck with your heads, enough people in your lives do a pretty good job of that , really.

Zi iiii ion said...

Knock on what door?

You come to me, I lled you the way to my door, now it's time to come home.

Anonymous said...

And she's gone.

Anonymous said...

we're waiting for each other when neither of us are budging, so how can we move forward?

grandfatherDeoNL said...

EliasCrowe said...
I am MilesDeo?

January 2, 2011 5:55 PM

i thought he was grandfatherDeoNL

Anonymous said...

we're waiting for each other when neither of us are budging, so how can we move forward?

January 2, 2011 9:36 PM

Because we care and that's all it takes.

Anonymous said...

i will remember that, thank you

Anonymous said...

3433 more comments and we can shut this thread down too, and then move on to the next one, and in so doing


SEAL UP THIS SECRET FOREVER.

It has to be contained.

Once all the blog entries are shut down, no one will be able to comment on iamaphoney anymore and the world will be safe.

THIS NEEDS TO BE DONE BEFORE DEC 2012 OR ALL IS LOST.


If even one single post is unfilled, the secret words and phrases will be uttered that will have the most dire consequences

you know this is true, do what you can, POST OFTEN AND BLOCK THE MAGICK

Anonymous said...

THIS NEEDS TO BE DONE BEFORE DEC 2012 OR ALL IS LOST.
October 13, 2011 8:26 AM


to late. or wait, no. it isn't its not 2012 dec yet.

CARRY ON

Anonymous said...

The blonde asks the clerk, "How in the world do you know I am a blonde?"

The clerk looks at her disgustedly and says,"That's not a TV -- it's a microwave!"

Anonymous said...

Workers determined that everything from the engine to the outdrive was working perfectly on the topside of the boat. So, a puzzled marina employee jumped into the water to check underneath the boat for problems. Because he was laughing so hard, he came up choking on water and gasping for air. Under the boat, still strapped in place securely, was the trailer.

Anonymous said...

"Oh, I'm sorry," the blonde apologizes, "do you want me to start over and talk slower?"

Anonymous said...

Operator: And the switch is on?

Blonde: Yes, yes.

Operator: And the bulb still won't light up?

Blonde: No, it's working fine.

Operator: Then what's the problem?

Blonde: We got dizzy spinning the ladder around, and we all fell and hurt ourselves.

Anonymous said...

10. You have to hold onto the lawn to keep from falling off the Earth.

9. Mosquitoes catch a buzz after attacking you.

8. The back of your head keeps getting hit by the toilet seat.

7. Your idea of cutting back is less salt.

6. You can focus better with one eye closed.

5. You fall off the floor.

5. The whole bar greets you when you come in.

4. You haven't had a driver's license in such a long time that you have forgotten what one looks like.

3. Roseanne looks good.

2. You don't recognize your wife/husband unless seen through bottom of glass.

1. You spent more time on the floor than you do standing up.

Anonymous said...

Top ten signs that you are too drunk

Anonymous said...

what a suprise

Anonymous said...

i was writing this very long comment for you. god damn it if cooking didnt totally distract me.

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